{"id":9004111224467352,"date":"2023-01-13T08:46:56","date_gmt":"2023-01-13T12:46:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pragmaticinstitute.com\/resources\/designing-for-both-customer-and-business-goals-with-jane-austin\/"},"modified":"2023-01-13T13:54:26","modified_gmt":"2023-01-13T17:54:26","slug":"designing-for-both-customer-and-business-goals-with-jane-austin","status":"publish","type":"resources","link":"https:\/\/www.pragmaticinstitute.com\/resources\/podcasts\/design\/designing-for-both-customer-and-business-goals-with-jane-austin\/","title":{"rendered":"Designing for Both Customer and Business Goals with Jane Austin"},"content":{"rendered":"<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-9004111224467352-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/mcdn.podbean.com\/mf\/web\/v35abx\/Jane_Austin_Final_mixdowna61nc.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/mcdn.podbean.com\/mf\/web\/v35abx\/Jane_Austin_Final_mixdowna61nc.mp3\">https:\/\/mcdn.podbean.com\/mf\/web\/v35abx\/Jane_Austin_Final_mixdowna61nc.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n<p>How can you lead teams that help clients achieve both customer\u00a0<em>and\u00a0<\/em>business goals, especially when those goals may seem at odds?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/msjaneaustin\/\">Jane Austin<\/a>\u00a0is the Chief Experience Officer at\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.digitas.com\/en-gb\/\">Digitas UK<\/a>. She is an expert in zero-to-one product development, scaling startups globally, and the digital transformation of legacy businesses. She has a background in philosophy and has always been passionate about design&#8217;s ability to solve problems for people and businesses.<\/p>\n<p>Throughout her career, Jane has worked in various sectors, including government, media, and healthcare, always striving to make a positive impact through evidence-led design, technology, and collaboration. Currently, Jane works at the intersection of design and product, &#8220;using design to uncover problems then using the product lens to solve them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Jane joins Design Chats with guest host Erin Thibeau for a conversation about the importance of understanding how businesses and organizations operate to contribute strategically as a designer. 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